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[Broli]

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Two weeks ago:

PMed by Rad
I don't see the problem with, occasionally, making an exmaple of someone. Its not particularly nice, but there's no point in saying "don't spam" and then not doing anything when people do. I don't expect the staff to be that gun-ho about warnings for a while.

Discuss.

[Ruhiel]

Two different sides to this in my opinion.

Rules/Legal side of things:
The staff have said time after time after time NOT to post in threads that have the [Question] tag on them. And yet people continued to do so, so they said if you do post in one of those threads, you'll be warned. Guess what? It happened. They've got every right to enforce the rules, as that is one of their jobs as staff. They don't want members who know nothing to post an incorrect answer, and spark some pointless debate that should have been avoided in the first place.

My Opinion:
Absolute bullshit to warn someone for trying to help. I understand part of your reasoning behind it, but if someone gets outright BANNED for just trying to lend a hand, especially if they were right, you'd likely hear me raising hell and breaking my no warning streak. People will say the wrong answer from time to time, but all the staff have to do in that event is do what they would have done normally: Step in, answer the question, and end it there.

That's all I think I really needed to say about this...

[Toshiro]

By the rules, sure, I needed the warning. But a warnign for the correct answer that has been stated time and time over again?

[Toshiro]

Originally posted by Majin Buu
Im sorry I have to say it...if I know the answer and there is no staff on I want to help them. I will post. I know its against the rules and some might say that is worse then not knowing but it doesnt matter. I can help people whether I am staff or not, a warning is really not going to stop that.

Big time agreement to that my friend.

It was a correct answer, what should it matter?

[Rem-13]

Because people who think they know the right answer will resond and when it turns out they are wrong they end up causing confusion where it could have been avoided. You're not always going to be right, no matter how long you've been here.

I think it just needs to be clearly stated, in its own announcment thread, that if you put a question tag, expect a longer wait for your answer. If you don't, then there is no whining if you get a less than satisfactory answer. This is mostly for the new people who see the question tag and might think its required.

edited for great justice: Oh, you updated the rules, Burt. Good enough.

[Android-18]

1. I don't really care either way, honestly.
2. What does bother me is that members will say "I know I'm not supposed to..." "Sorry staff but..." They know they're doing wrong yet they do it anyway, it just bothers me and I don't know why.
3. To solve everyones problem maybe staff should set this forum to "Post topic only" for guests and members and only staff can make replies. That way people can stop with this whole problem.

The reason we don't want members answering questions is because sometimes they say "I dunno but maybe..." and say something completely wrong, and get the new guy confused.

Yes, maybe it's mean that Burter warned those 3 for doing something helpful, but frankly you have all been warned, non-officially, yet again most of you admitted that you shouldn't be posting, but do it anyway. I don't care if you think you HAVE to answer a thread just because no staff are on. Members must learn patience. I'll be happy to accept your reply if it'd been 3 days and no staff said anything.

Phew I'm tired...

[Sage]

To be totally honest, I agree. I think warning people for trying to help is going too far; it's not difficult for one of us to say "No, that's wrong, shut the hell up" and give a correct answer. No offense at all meant to anyone who's been enforcing this rule, since if I really disagreed with you, I'd have said something. It is in the rules, and if people ignore it, well, shit, you've given them verbal warnings like, 23905872945437059 times.

At the same time, though, you probably won't find me enforcing that rule. Like, ever. I don't mind telling people to shut up if they're wrong, or simply quoting them and going "listen to this guy, he doesn't suck" if they're right.

I would suggest people simply avoided posting in the [Question] tags to avoid getting yourself in trouble, but if someone gives a correct answer, even in a thread with the tag, I can't justify warning someone for it. However, like I already said, don't expect the rest of staff to let you off the hook, especially since most people get away with at least one verbal warning before an actual warning hits.

EDIT: Okay, I read this over and some of what I said was wrong. Basically, I meant "If you post it, and you're right, I don't care. But if it's wrong, and someone warns you for it, well, tough shit, you were told not to."

[Rem-13]

Just a little thing to add that makes where I'm coming from clearer. Sorry If im getting redundant.

When every normal member was banned from answering questions period on this board I did it anyway, because that rule was fucking retarded. People should be able to help.
But If people dont want questionable answers from those who have no authority then they shouldn't have to put up with it.

Thats why the question tag is a simple solution, and should make everyone happy. The questioners and the answerers get what they want.

[Hellfighter 17]

I think there should be a warning for that, seeing how it shows disrespect as I point out below.

Originally posted by Android-18
1. I don't really care either way, honestly.
2. What does bother me is that members will say "I know I'm not supposed to..." "Sorry staff but..." They know they're doing wrong yet they do it anyway, it just bothers me and I don't know why.
3. To solve everyones problem maybe staff should set this forum to "Post topic only" for guests and members and only staff can make replies. That way people can stop with this whole problem.

The reason we don't want members answering questions is because sometimes they say "I dunno but maybe..." and say something completely wrong, and get the new guy confused.

Yes, maybe it's mean that Burter warned those 3 for doing something helpful, but frankly you have all been warned, non-officially, yet again most of you admitted that you shouldn't be posting, but do it anyway. I don't care if you think you HAVE to answer a thread just because no staff are on. Members must learn patience. I'll be happy to accept your reply if it'd been 3 days and no staff said anything.

Phew I'm tired...

That might be because when they say stuff like that but do it anyways, it purely shows disrespect. They are relying that we will not warn them for a warnable offense.

To 20: then people can choos enot to use the question tag, it really is a choice. I don't think all n00bs automatically think they have to anyway (not saying you said it), because I have seen several threads where they have asked for updates or something without the update tag.

Also, because you guys are members, sometimes the members will not feel that that is a solid answer (as they have the right to). When a staff member says it is, it's more concrete, and a lot of times we have to come in and quote the people who had the right answer just so there is no confusion.

Plus, when you have the whole RPG elligible to post in something, it can easily get out of control, which has happened, to my recollection. When you have staff, they say something and it is generally correct, since we have a lot of rulings on weird cases being said in the staff board. And if a staff member is wrong, then all that could be done is that another staff member tells us that we were incorrect if we are, and then we can edit are post and/or tell the member the correct answer. Seeing how we have unlimited editing time.

EDIT: Shit, I love you, KB.

[Orion]

It's also the simple fact that people are just plain disregarding staff. We say 'don't post in a question tagged thread' and people do it. We can't have people doing things against staff and not punishing them. That would be dumb. So don't try to boil it down to 'if I'm right, what's the point?' You're basically saying 'staff are wrong, I'll do what I want.'

[Sage]

KB... I wasn't defending anyone. The tag is there to keep members out. I'm pretty sure I stated that if you get warned, sucks to be you, 'cause you've been told not to.

I was simply stating that I probably wouldn't warn someone if they were correct. That's just my own opinion. Besides, as staff I'm still basically just learning stuff and "winging it", so my opinions'll probably change after a while anyway. *Shrug*

[Toshiro]

If thats the sorta case, then yes. This board should be edited so that members can only start a topic in this place and nothing more. Because lets face it. People (and I will not shade the fact that I would), will always end up putting in their two cents, or an answer that is correct.

Call it disrespecting the staff, but some of us do it to try and lessen the work load of staff by putting up a fact.

But regardless, it would just seem that the members will never be right even if they are.

[Sage]

Originally posted by Gohan
If thats the sorta case, then yes. This board should be edited so that members can only start a topic in this place and nothing more. Because lets face it. People (and I will not shade the fact that I would), will always end up putting in their two cents, or an answer that is correct.

Call it disrespecting the staff, but some of us do it to try and lessen the work load of staff by putting up a fact.

But regardless, it would just seem that the members will never be right even if they are.

Sometimes a reply is needed for clarification's sake, though. Honestly, if you see a tagged question and know the answer, how hard is it to say "screw it, let someone else handle it"? Especially if it keeps you out of a warning. Modifying the boards and inconveniencing people hardly seems like a viable solution.

[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Gohan
If thats the sorta case, then yes. This board should be edited so that members can only start a topic in this place and nothing more. Because lets face it. People (and I will not shade the fact that I would), will always end up putting in their two cents, or an answer that is correct.

Call it disrespecting the staff, but some of us do it to try and lessen the work load of staff by putting up a fact.

But regardless, it would just seem that the members will never be right even if they are.

I'd quote Bra and then add my reply, but his post is right above this. JUST DON'T POST IN THEM, IS IT THAT HARD?! YOU HAVE QUOTED THE RULES IN THIS FORUM AND YELLED AT PEOPLE FOR ASKING FOR AN UPDATE BEFORE 72 HOURS, SO YOU ARE JUST BEING HYPOCRITICAL. I didn't think those sentences would be so long. o.o'

[Orion]

eg.

Someone asks how many determination points you need to get an extra tp every week. A member jumps on and knows the answer, saying its 50 (perhaps mixing it up with intelligence by mistake.) The answer is obviously wrong, so the person asking the question is misled, and perhaps makes a judgement with that information. A staff member comes on and sees the mistake, posting the correct number. The person asking the question then sees it, causing confusion and needing clarification on which is correct, which again could affect the decision of the person with this new information.

And you can say 'oh that's well and good, but a staff member could do that too.' I can't speak for everyone on staff, but I know that if I'm not 100% on something, I don't answer it. I wait for someone who does know to answer it.

[Ruhiel]

I think things are fine the way they are. The [Question] tag was a good idea, meant to keep things simpler for everyone. Yet members would disregard staff and post the correct answer. The issue isn't about whether or not they were right or wrong, it's about not following the rules set down by staff. By those same rules, the staff had the right to warn all three of them, end of story.

However, I would find the staff to be tyrannical sadistic despots in the event they banned someone for this sort of thing. Sure, you should warn them for that, and they usually get the idea. But suppose that was their third warning because of trying to help someone out. It's not fair to ban someone because of that, even if they were to be let back in at a later time.

This is a pretty petty issue, but if we keep boiling it down, we're eventually going to get to the bare bones of how this whole rpg functions, and who is in control when it comes right down to it. And if it does get to that, I already know what the answer will be, and it won't end pretty =(

[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Android 20
I think things are fine the way they are. The [Question] tag was a good idea, meant to keep things simpler for everyone. Yet members would disregard staff and post the correct answer. The issue isn't about whether or not they were right or wrong, it's about not following the rules set down by staff. By those same rules, the staff had the right to warn all three of them, end of story.

However, I would find the staff to be tyrannical sadistic despots in the event they banned someone for this sort of thing. Sure, you should warn them for that, and they usually get the idea. But suppose that was their third warning because of trying to help someone out. It's not fair to ban someone because of that, even if they were to be let back in at a later time.

This is a pretty petty issue, but if we keep boiling it down, we're eventually going to get to the bare bones of how this whole rpg functions, and who is in control when it comes right down to it. And if it does get to that, I already know what the answer will be, and it won't end pretty =(

People aren't necassarily permanently banned for three warning, Minoshia has four. I think it really depends on what kind of a member they are (not saying Minoshia is safe, because I myself think four is too much). When I was warned for spamming in here, I stopped. So, others should, too, as that is what warnings are for.

[Orion]

As unlikely as someone being banned for answering questions is, it could (possibly) happen. It's not the fact that you're trying to help. I think that needs to be repeated. IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP. It's that you're disobeying staff members. If someone posted three times in a thread they're not supposed to, completing disregarding what the staff ask them nicely NOT to do, then why should they get away with that? If someone blatantly spams three times, or flames someone three times, they get banned, because they disobey staff. Why should this be any different?

[Toshiro]

Wanna know what'd make things alot more damned simpler. If the main rules page was kept up to date, and people actully just read that bloody thing.

And yeah, I'm a damn hypocrite. Who the hell isn't?

[Kazuya]

I know I'm new here, but wow, helping others shouldn't give the mods a stroke because look at it this way: its one less thing you have to break your balls over. If someone helped a fellow player and was wrong on information, simply correct them. Warning someone for helping out another player is just plain anal. Just correct the wrong information and get over with it, reserve the warnigns for more serious offenses. That's my opinion.


-Violet