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[Kirano]

Originally posted by Grandpa Gohan
Though I have seen staff take shots at each other, because they had a bad day or something. But we all do, and I'm not going to hold it against them.
These just my opinions though. =o

No we do not all do. I have never taken a shot at someone because of a bad day I had. I usually keep OOC problems off the boards. People I've spoken to on MSN know this.

[Burter]

Ya know, Bulma, you should try to give compliments every now and then. Every post you make is negative

[Kirano]

That's an exaggeration Burt, you know that.

[Nori]

Mmm. So much hate.

Skimming pages of information, I just want to point out a few things, which have most likely been covered.

On the Subject of Dana: Wouldn't have had it go any other way, why I regret a few comments I made its mostly because I feel bad because I said them, not because he didn't deserve them.

On the subject of updates: Most updates I am almost positive have been updated before the 72 hour span, except the few that slip through our net of searching.

On the subject of meaness: I try to be nice, and other staff members do as well. But people of the forum really don't have a right to complain about how staff acts towards its members when members can't even be nice to each other. Not that its right, either way.

Regarding the new AA thing: It was made for those people who still want to roleplay in a layed back setting, but could no longer stay at FoF. I was slightly taken back by the name as well, but like Burter said, if it offends Dana or others it can be changed.

Regarding Rei: ~Clings~

[Krillin]

Broli, you think what me and HF did was "ripping into one another"? Shit no. If either of us had actually cared about the argument on a personal level, we (or at least, I) would have been caustic. It was just a mental exercise. Nothing more.

[Raditzu]

Originally posted by Reijin
@Broli: So we aren't allowed to ever actually enjoy this site and should always stick to being mindless work machines that are only here to serve you, and our true opinions on anything should never be known?

C'mon, Rei. That's not what he meant and you know it.

[Broli]

Rei, don't piss me off for no reason. I'm frustrated at what you said, but I'm going to leave it at that because I'm surprised you'd even say that after the years of me being here and the times that I've been on staff. Cut the crap.

Krillin, I was moreso attesting to the fact that it was so retarded for the two of you to be bantering back and forth over the issue of a grammar when that wasn't even what the thread was about. If it had been two members, a staffer would have jumped in and said, "Hey, cut that out." Staff are held to a higher level than members. They should act like it.

Does that mean staff can't have fun? Of course not. Does it mean that it's a good idea for staff members to argue back and forth over grammar? Probably not. This is just my opinion, and my opinion involves me believing that being on staff holds a maturity that shouldn't be expected in regular members. Am I wrong in thinking that? Maybe, but then again, it's just my opinion.

Edit: I also want to make it clear that I'm not making a personal attack on a staff member's maturity or character. I like most of the staffers.

Edit: I also want to clarify that my issue with the HF/Krillin argument was that I felt it was so meaningless in the first place. I'm not saying staff can't debate. There's just an appropriate way to doing so, as well as an unappropriate method.

[Old Zangya]

The only problem I have with the staff is that they can be slightly rude sometimes. That's all.

[Burter]

If you guys would listen to us and read everything posted, you wouldn't have to see that side of us, Buu. Bottom line, you're not helping matters. You bring it on yourself.

I get annoyed. A lot. You'd be surprised how much I hold back

[Old Zangya]

Originally posted by Burter
If you guys would listen to us and read everything posted, you wouldn't have to see that side of us, Buu. Bottom line, you're not helping matters. You bring it on yourself.

I get annoyed. A lot. You'd be surprised how much I hold back

I'm trying not to be as annoying. Honestly. It's just...this is a new type of RP for me. It's..different than others.

[Burter]

It's not you in particular. You showed up at a time when we were all pissed, in fact a lot of newbies did. That piled onto the stress we're all having.

You have to look at it from our view. I'm not saying that us getting a little angry is the right way to handle things, but I also think we're entitled to be visually annoyed when people ask such obvious things, and continue to pester us with PMs and threads

[Old Zangya]

I completely agree, and the thread I just posted in the Q/S/U's thread will be one of the last I post for a while unless its an emergency, seeing as I just want everything to get back to normal and such so it can all run smoothly. And if asking less questions is a way I can help, I shall try.

[Ruhiel]

How is it that you all would like us to appear less rude, and/or mean? I won't give my personal opinion on the subject, but I'd like to hear how you all would like staff to act. But please, be serious, as in, a suggestion that could actually work. I'm just curious as to what exactly it is that makes the members think we're mean people.

[Krillin]

Originally posted by Broli

Krillin, I was moreso attesting to the fact that it was so retarded for the two of you to be bantering back and forth over the issue of a grammar when that wasn't even what the thread was about.

This isn't some high-and-important forum here. This is the Asylum. People spam. If memory serves, there was no "spam off" sticker attached to the thread. How is our argument any less off-topic than if someone jumped in and said, "olo u guys r funi"?

If it had been two members, a staffer would have jumped in and said, "Hey, cut that out."

They would have? I wouldn't have. But whatever. Maybe some Staff member other than the ones I know would do what you describe.

Staff are held to a higher level than members. They should act like it.

And for the most part, we do. I just don't see how an argument over grammar that stayed entirely in the realm of logic, and did not have any huge personal attacks, is an issue.

Does that mean staff can't have fun? Of course not. Does it mean that it's a good idea for staff members to argue back and forth over grammar? Probably not. This is just my opinion, and my opinion involves me believing that being on staff holds a maturity that shouldn't be expected in regular members. Am I wrong in thinking that? Maybe, but then again, it's just my opinion.

Maturity and a grammar argument are not exactly related here.

Edit: I also want to clarify that my issue with the HF/Krillin argument was that I felt it was so meaningless in the first place. I'm not saying staff can't debate. There's just an appropriate way to doing so, as well as an unappropriate method.

And who is to say what is appropriate and inappropriate? Me and HF were being absolutely respectful about it, and we both ended on a good note, with good terms.

[Grandpa Gohan]

>.> I feel as though Krillin is being a tad hostile, though I could be imagining it, it's hard to tell from text what kind of tone it carries.

Anyhow. To what Twenty said. I know warnings are somethings that's kinda "case by case" and whatnot. I think it could work when handling requessts/updates from members as well, at least in Q/S/U.

Ill use Dana as an example for this, just cause its convienent.

Just because Dana did some shit, which set back staff months, and whatever else, or just because it's been a "stressful week at the job" doesn't mean that a staff should carry this attitude towards other members. For the most part, staff doesn't. But I know it;s happened, even when it wasn't ment to.

Just my 2cents on that though. ^_~

[Krillin]

Originally posted by Grandpa Gohan
>.> I feel as though Krillin is being a tad hostile, though I could be imagining it, it's hard to tell from text what kind of tone it carries.

Not hostile. I completely respect Broli, and wish I had worked alongside him longer than I have already.

My style of argument is cold. When it comes to a debate, I take things seriously. I require logic. If there is a hole, I pursue it. It's not a personal aggression, it's a logical aggression (if one can attribute aggression to something as "stolid" as logic).

[Broli]

The grammar argument was viewed by me as immature. I think I've worded that simply enough.

Also, I would encourage you particularly, Krillin, to not be so defensive. You have to keep in mind that there obviously must be some issue at hand if a member is able to see it and address it. It may not be as extensive as that member suggests, but it exists all the same.

I really want staff to be able to look at this entire thread (not just my posts) and say, "Ok, here's where we need to improve. Here's where we lack. Someone had a problem with this issue. Do we need to work on this? No? Ok. How about this other issue?"

I feel moreso like I'm under fire, that each and every bit of what I'm saying is being evaluated and pulled apart. That's not to say that what I'm saying is wrong, but moreso that the attitude I'm receiving is what's setting me off.

One of us has missed the point of this thread, Krillin. Is it me?

Edit: I feel like I may be coming off as a complete dick, so I just wanted to apologize in advance for that.

[Krillin]

Originally posted by Broli

[quote]Also, I would encourage you particularly, Krillin, to not be so defensive. You have to keep in mind that there obviously must be some issue at hand if a member is able to see it and address it.

That a member addresses an "issue" does not necessarily prove that there is, in actuality, a problem. Whether or not a problem exists is exactly why I'm examining your argument. It isn't to disprove it any more than it is to prove it. It's simply testing it for weaknesses.

really want staff to be able to look at this entire thread (not just my posts) and say, "Ok, here's where we need to improve. Here's where we lack. Someone had a problem with this issue. Do we need to work on this? No? Ok. How about this other issue?"

Instead of just huddling with ourselves, I'm hoping to work alongside of you (that's how I view this examination) to see things from your perspective, THEN make a decision/change based upon it.

I feel moreso like I'm under fire, that each and every bit of what I'm saying is being evaluated and pulled apart. That's not to say that what I'm saying is wrong, but moreso that the attitude I'm receiving is what's setting me off.

That's exactly what I'm doing. Again, not necessarily because I think you're wrong, or I think you're right, but because I want to test what you're saying. This is logical, not personal.

[Raditzu]

Hey staffers, this is a place for members to say what they think is a problem. Its not a place to go back and forth about whether or not they're right. These are opinions, and opinions have nothing to do with being right or wrong.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Raditzu
Hey staffers, this is a place for members to say what they think is a problem. Its not a place to go back and forth about whether or not they're right. These are opinions, and opinions have nothing to do with being right or wrong.

That's right, and as a member I don't think there is enough Kakarot appreciation.