The epic Freiza vs Goku debate

[Deo]

...but I already have a tail D:

[OldSpice]

Damn. Looks like Garlic got to you before I could.

[Spencinator]

Originally posted by Spice
Oh, it involves much, much more. It's kind of like pin the tail on the donkey =D
Come here donkey.

[Tobias]

I think that was one of my fastest derails.

[Yamu]

It has become your thing though...so it works.

[Tobias]

It was always my thing sonny Jim I've just been laying off of it.

[Yamu]

And we've missed you for it.

[Drake]

Goku's power level on arriving on namek was 90,000. When Ginyu records his power level Goku used Kaioken. As for any power level beyond that, they aren't official(Except for Furiza's claim that his 2nd form's power level was more than 1,000,000) as Akira Toriyama did not write them while there are ones listed in the Daizenshyuu's, they aren't considered Cannon as they weren't written by Akira Toriyama but rather the group he worked for as well as some of his assistants.

Also, Furiza never announced fighting at anything other than 50% of his full power and then going to 100%. 50% Furiza was able to overcome KKx20 Goku which leads people to believe that the SSJ power up increased Goku's power level by at least 40 times.

Edit: Also, no. Goku couldn't beat Final Form Furiza with Kaioken. Through out the entire fight he was struggling against Furiza and even though he struck out as hard as he could with the Kamehameha, Furiza stopped it with one hand and only got burned.

[Deo]

I support Kakarot for president.

[Nori]

Originally posted by Kakarot
Goku's power level on arriving on namek was 90,000. When Ginyu records his power level Goku used Kaioken. As for any power level beyond that, they aren't official(Except for Furiza's claim that his 2nd form's power level was more than 1,000,000) as Akira Toriyama did not write them while there are ones listed in the Daizenshyuu's, they aren't considered Cannon as they weren't written by Akira Toriyama but rather the group he worked for as well as some of his assistants.

Also, Furiza never announced fighting at anything other than 50% of his full power and then going to 100%. 50% Furiza was able to overcome KKx20 Goku which leads people to believe that the SSJ power up increased Goku's power level by at least 40 times.

Edit: Also, no. Goku couldn't beat Final Form Furiza with Kaioken. Through out the entire fight he was struggling against Furiza and even though he struck out as hard as he could with the Kamehameha, Furiza stopped it with one hand and only got burned.

I'd really like to see where Frieza completely overcame Goku. According to the episodes I'v watched they were practically even until Goku got tired and resorted to the Spirit Bomb.

[Aero]

Originally posted by Tapion

Originally posted by Ballofire

Freeza - 12,000,000 (100%)

Freeza - 10,000,000 (Battle Worn)


Super Goku - 11,500,000

Wait...? That doesn't make sense to me...Frieza was never stronger then SSJ Goku. In the manga goku overpowered Frieza completly effortlessly after going SSJ, they changed it slightly in the anime though to make Frieza put up somewhat more of a fight against Goku to make for more intresting TV. I mean I know those are offical, but I do NOT remember Frieza ever being stronger then SSJ Goku.

Furiza beat Goku and was about to leave, but Gohan came in and prevented that. Then Goku came back and Furiza and he fought again. Goku won that one.

[Joe Android 15]

Originally posted by Gokua
Gokua won that one.

Im sure he did... Travel all the way to namek, then back to his own galaxy to meet up with Bojack and plan to kill off earth 3 years later -.-

[Aero]

that typo occurs a lot with me since I write Gokua a million times in my RPs. I fixed it.

EDIT:


Also, Bojack and his entire gang were imprisoned by the Kais.

[Nori]

I bet you I could beat Anime Frieza. >_>

[Joe Android 15]

Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
I bet you I could beat Anime Frieza. >_>

Errr... I think you can >_>

[Nori]

I'd be all like.

Light Super Blast of instant power!

And then he would like.. die or something.

[Joe Android 15]

LoL...

Erhmmm yeah.

[Aero]

Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
I'd be all like.

Light Super Blast of instant power!

And then he would like.. die or something.

Then his father would put him back together. And Furiza would be afraid of you for the rest of his life; have visions of you and cry.

[Nori]

XD

[Super Buu]

Originally posted by Spice
That doesn't make much sense Tom. Kaio-Ken multiplies Power Level by the Tier, so x20 would multiply his Power Level by, literally, x20, not x2. However, we've already gone through this quarrel countless times, your Manga stats vs my Anime stats, grrr =P.

Anime Power Levels
Goku: 300,000
Goku[Kaio-Ken x10]: 3,000,000
Goku[Kaio-Ken x20]: 6,000,000
Goku[Super Saiyan]: 15,000,000

Frieza: 530,000
Frieza[Form 2]: 1,000,000
Frieza[Form 3]: 2,500,000
Frieza[Form 4 25%]: 4,000,000
Frieza[Form 4 50%]: 6,000,000
Frieza[Form 4 70%]: 8,400,000
Frieza[Form 4 100%]: 12,000,000


Yes, I believe your sox have just been rawked.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't fully analyze your stats; they actually match mine with a few differences, lol.

People seem generally to think this, but it was never stated in the anime or manga that Kaioken actually does that. I mean, think about it. If Kaioken x2 doubles his power level, what the hell does just regular Kaioken do? I think it just multiplies the bonus he gets, rather than his actual power level, and thus I don't believe the theoretical power levels people give in regards to Kaioken.

Oh, and I agree with Kollifum/Krakanot etc. Frieza would have kicked Goku's ass had he not gone SSJ. He survived a spirit bomb ffs! Goku was going all-out through the whole battle, using Kaioken constantly, and Frieza wasn't even trying. Even Kai said that Goku was losing.