Waffia Day SIX

[Waffuru]

Rose dies.

John Doe
Rafael
Ashe
Whompt
Kaden
Vad
Jon Meer
Orsalis
Kole T Merr
Leo
Rose
Kami
Jarka

[Blue]

Very... uh... descriptive, Walrus...

Let's hope Kraken investigated someone who is ACTUALLY Mafia, this time around.

[Jonathan Meer]

In retrospect, probably not the best time to self-reveal (since Dock is tied up protecting Kaden). That said, we did get information, though I'm not really clear on what ownership of a gun implies (I take it Mafia have a gun? And the vigilante? And a Hunter?).

Regardless, waiting on Kaden.

EDIT: Which is not to say I'm entirely comfortable with that whole thing, but it's what we have to go on.

[Waffuru]

If Rose wants to write his own death I'll add it in but I am lazy today so suck it.

[Blue]

Present and it shall be sucked, my friend.

[Kaden]

So I was looking back over the thread yesterday and thinking about some of the things I've said in previous mafia games. Specifically that you have to operate under the worst-case scenario if you actually want to be successful. Having decided upon that, I decided to forgo my investigation of Orsalis, who was next on my list and breakdown the scenario bit with that worst-case in mind.

So here we have Whompt claiming to be a doctor who has had evidence planted against him. Worst-case is that he is telling the truth and lynching him would rid of us our best form of protection. I would die that night and the townspeople would probably end up losing without being able to gather any more information.

With that train of thought I looked again at who's left. I know I'm innocent, so I check myself off. Rafael is my sibling and, since he was not the godfather, his "innocent" investigation does not seem suspect. Whompt I'm accepting as the doctor, so he's not guilty. If we're assuming Whompt is innocent, then Jarka is as well. Her move of protecting Whompt actually helps quite bit since now they are either both mafia or both townspeople; her innocence is directly tied to his.

That leaves us with Orsalis, Meer, and Leo. Take it back again to the worst-case. The last mafia member can plant evidence. Orsalis I'd already put on my list of who I think should be investigated and, by now, the mafia would have had time to plant evidence on both Orsalis and Whompt, so an investigation that turns up "guilty" for Orsalis is suspect, at best and false at worst; so I look to the other two that are left.

Between Leo and Meer, Leo seemed to have been very quiet over the past couple of days. So I investigated him. He came back guilty.

Lynch Leo

[Blue]

I'll lynch the Lion with you. He may have had evidence planted as well, but I doubt the Mafia would have wasted that ability on someone who wasn't on anyone's list of suspicions.

Lynch Leo

[Kaden]

I'll lynch the Lion with you. He may have had evidence planted as well, but I doubt the Mafia would have wasted that ability on someone who wasn't on anyone's list of suspicions.

Correct. Kind of banking on that, at this point.

[Blue]

I was a bit worried I would be under attack today... I thought for sure I would be knifed last night, but they took out Bumblebee. Since I stated I was protecting Kraken, and I did, since I didn't die and Kraken survived, it would look to someone reading into it that I was Mafia. I mean, if I was I could just claim that they're trying to frame me. Which it seems like they are. Glad to see that someone wasn't taken in by it.

[Sigfried Hunin]

I confused myself again.

[Orsalis]

I still think you're mafia, Whompt.

Lynch Leo

[Blue]

I still hate you, Orangutan.

[Rafael]

Lynch Leo

[Jonathan Meer]

I am not mafia.

This rubs me wrong. The weirdness of getting two correct ticks in a row is strange enough, but now to completely jump from Whompt (who came back positive) and switch to Leo on the basis of evidence-planting seems groundless. If evidence can be planted on Whompt, why couldn't it have been planted on Leo?

That said, I'm pretty sure planted evidence expires after a day. That's how it's always worked in every other game I've played. It WOULD be weird for Maf to place ev on someone who hasn't been very active.

I'll put my vote in, but I'm very uncomfortable with all this. If Leo ends up innocent, I think we'll need to seriously reconsider Kaden's role in all this.

Lynch Leo

[Jonathan Meer]

That leaves us with Orsalis, Meer, and Leo. Take it back again to the worst-case. The last mafia member can plant evidence. Orsalis I'd already put on my list of who I think should be investigated and, by now, the mafia would have had time to plant evidence on both Orsalis and Whompt, so an investigation that turns up "guilty" for Orsalis is suspect, at best and false at worst; so I look to the other two that are left.

Last I checked, it was up in the air how many mafia were left.

I'm torn; either Raf and Kaden are both mafia (which would make their earlier 'outing' extremely ballsy, and a risk against a sheriff), or there's just a lot of weirdness.

[Blue]

I think that if Turtle and Kraken are both Mafia, the Sheriff would have exposed both by now through investigation. If I were the Sheriff, I definitely would have investigated Kraken after yesterday, and maybe Turtle. Maybe Kraken is an Insane Sheriff and maybe he's Mafia. I suppose today will show it though.

[Kaden]

Last I checked, it was up in the air how many mafia were left.

I'm torn; either Raf and Kaden are both mafia (which would make their earlier 'outing' extremely ballsy, and a risk against a sheriff), or there's just a lot of weirdness.

The part you bolded was actually a typo on my part. It was supposed to read "one of the last mafia..."

That's not just back peddling, either.

If we're assuming Whompt is innocent, then Jarka is as well. Her move of protecting Whompt actually helps quite bit since now they are either both mafia or both townspeople; her innocence is directly tied to his.

If I had been working under the assumption there was only one mafia left, I wouldn't have included that at all, since it wouldn't have made any sense.

It's definitely possible that Leo had evidence planted against him, but Whompt already pointed out why I made that "jump" to Leo. It wasn't at random.

I'll lynch the Lion with you. He may have had evidence planted as well, but I doubt the Mafia would have wasted that ability on someone who wasn't on anyone's list of suspicions.

Of course, you should still be suspicious of me, to some degree because that's the nature of the game. It would be an incredibly ballsy play for one of the mafia members to be directly responsible for getting two other mafia killed. It might make some sense if I were the godfather, but that role's already been killed -- and I would put down money Waff didn't include two godfathers in this game.

Me being mafia and intentionally sacrificing two other mafia members -- including the godfather -- in the hopes of building up trust and then pretending to be the sheriff to further that trust and hope a REAL sheriff doesn't investigate me is the only way me being mafia makes any sense. If you think that's something I'd do, along with tie myself to Raf as his sibling, then yeah, I should be very suspicious.

I can appreciate that this might look random, but I think the train-of-thought is solid here. Investigating Leo made sense and if he had evidence planted on him to make him look guilty, it was a damn lucky play by the mafia.

EDIT: Edited for typos. I should really skim things before I post them. Especially when it's a post regarding how a typo made me look suspicious.

[Rafael]

I'm still dead ='(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BOG4p1-H2Q

[Jarka]

Lynch Leo

[Waffuru]

Once he realized the jig was up, Leo lept onto a table and fired his weapon into the crowd. "You'll never take me alive!" He fired as many rounds as he could until he was finally finished off by a bullet from Kaden. They looked around to find that Orsalis had taken one of the bullets to the head for not following his role.

Leo was a member of the mafia, his secondary role was that he had some cake.
Orsalis was a townsperson, his secondary role was artist, supposed to include a photo in every post. Finally failed at it hard enough that I killed him.

Night actions please!