staff courtesy

[Banned Dana]

Due to this thread : Staff Read Now

I'd like to suggest that when something has been answered that it ends right then and there. In a nut shell, Burter took care of the ordeal, Celipa was typing at the same time, so it's not really his fault, but everyone that posted after Celipa was basically uncalled for.

He made a mistake and did something stupid and instead of doing the right thing(which is what Burter and Celipa did), we had 3 other staff members go in and post needless crap, which only makes him feel worse and basically shows that he had a point in saying what he needed to say.

What I'm asking for is some boundries for the staff. If something like this is done, staff is supposed to go in and deflame, not egg on and frankly, Reijin and HF's posts kind of pissed me off and I don't really like Retane much, but their posts weren't needed, didn't help the situation at all, and basically made them look worse than Retane.

We didn't need to hear about how Reijin wanted to say unkind things about Retane, that's not the way an admin(in my eyes) should be handling things like this, nor did we need HF to come and and ask Retane if he knows how to read. Same can be said about Akane, since she basically rolled in and said that she had unkind words. In a sense, all of it was Spam and that's not supposed to be tolerated on the discussion forums and frankly, it happens a lot.

None of that is needed and if "Staff Only" means that we post once(no matter how stupid), and then we get continuously bashed on, then I say we just change the tag to "yell at me".

Ok, I left this open to "Suggestion" so others can voice their opinions on this too. If you think I'm beings stupid, just say so, but if you think I've got a point in the fact that I think it's stupid that staff rolls in and instead of extinguishing a situation, they further devolope it, then back me up here.

[Hellfighter 17]

Originally posted by Hell Fighter 17
Shut the fudge up, Retane - we can reimburse training points.

I will admit the first part may be a tad unprofessional, I felt the need to point out the second part. If Retane had that in mind, it wouldn't have mattered if we had gotten to it that night or not. O.o

Originally posted by Hell Fighter 17
Also, it had been two hours. Seriously, do you not read?

I implie dthat he doesn't read, not that he can't, and it was to point out the rules, which he had clearly disobeyed, and that rule had not been pointed out. I said in a sarcasticlaly-mocking tone because he essentially said that we don't keep up with things around here, even though if it had only been two hours, when he ha dnot kept up with rules, even though they had been up for over a year.

I'm not going to say anything for the other two, as I cannot explain their thinking, but I see only one staff post that was out of place, and that person is learning.

[OldNoriAccount]

I'm not going to apologize for what I did. Because honestly, I could have done far worse. Same for everyone who posted.

True, it was a tad mean, and it was tad uncalled for. But I am not apologizing for it.

[Jewtastic]

Yet I agree with Pan here. I know for a fact there is a thread in the staff forum that Rad made saying that once a thread is locked, its locked. Don't abuse your power to post in locked topics just to continue pointing out what someone did wrong. He made a mistake, it was dealt with, Continuing to tell him to back off or to ask more politly next time is not nessicary, Burter already did that. While I don't feel anyone really pushed the bounds to far I feel that one staff member explaining something is better then 4 repeating what the one said.

[OldNoriAccount]

Originally posted by Murasaki
Yet I agree with Pan here. I know for a fact there is a thread in the staff forum that Rad made saying that once a thread is locked, its locked. Don't abuse your power to post in locked topics just to continue pointing out what someone did wrong. He made a mistake, it was dealt with, Continuing to tell him to back off or to ask more politly next time is not nessicary, Burter already did that. While I don't feel anyone really pushed the bounds to far I feel that one staff member explaining something is better then 4 repeating what the one said.

Thread was not locked when we posted.

He insulted Staff, he shouldn't expect everyone to simple jump up in the and give him a hug. Like I said, it could have been far worse.

[Ruhiel]

Yes, the continual comments by those who posted after Burter and Celipa were inappropriate and mean. But they were not given without reason. While the staff is here to serve the members, I don't particularly think anyone likes to be cussed out because of something small and easily fixable. Especially when they broke a rule anyways by not giving staff enough time to correct the problem.

I'd like to just point out the golden rule in this instance. If you give respect, you get respect. If you cuss someone out, don't expect a friendly response.

The comments were over the top, and shouldn't have been stated since the problem was resolved, but that in no way means they were unjustified.

Of course, that's my take on it. Maybe since I wasn't involved, I shouldn't post here. However, this is directed at everyone, and since I'm a part of everyone, I'll put in my two cents. And since Retane bitched at all of staff, all of staff really shouldn't be yelled at for responding to something posed to all of them. No ill will to Retane, I still like the guy, but I'm stating that the staff's response shouldn't be seen as ridiculously uncalled for.

[Jewtastic]

He might have insulted staff but it was taken care of. You don't have to like the guy, but you don't need to go around making him feel like an ass when some one else has already banned him and taken care of the problem.

Remember, you are staff becuase people are supposed to look up to you. You are supposed to act like the bigger person, and spamming the Q/S/U is not really the way to do it.

[Aiden]

Originally posted by Akane Kimidori

Originally posted by Murasaki
Yet I agree with Pan here. I know for a fact there is a thread in the staff forum that Rad made saying that once a thread is locked, its locked. Don't abuse your power to post in locked topics just to continue pointing out what someone did wrong. He made a mistake, it was dealt with, Continuing to tell him to back off or to ask more politly next time is not nessicary, Burter already did that. While I don't feel anyone really pushed the bounds to far I feel that one staff member explaining something is better then 4 repeating what the one said.

Thread was not locked when we posted.

He insulted Staff, he shouldn't expect everyone to simple jump up in the and give him a hug. Like I said, it could have been far worse.

Yeah your right he doesn't need a hug. He needed punishment, and thats what he got. Retane got banned, and then spit on by half the staff. I don't see any need for any of the posts after Burters second one. The issue was solved.

Staff shouldn't go around and piss on everyone after they've been banned or warned because it's just not right. first of all Retane can't even defend himself against staff, because he probably will be warned even further, and to keep shoving him further into a corner it's surely going to get a reaction out of him that isn't positive.

Anything after burters second post wasnt needed, and definately Reijin and Akane posts were complete and utter spam.

[OldNoriAccount]

No. If we wanted to completely ruin him we would have actually have flamed him. We would have insulted him.

We never did that. I posted because I needed to, because I'm not going to take crap from someone who insults me.

[Jewtastic]

Ok, first, you shouldn't have taken offense to it becuase you can't update the site, nor the forums, so anything he was saying had nothing to do with you. Second, thats what you have to do when on staff. Look like the bigger person, step back from a situation and ask youself, hey would my posting in this topic actually help resolve the problem, or will it simply be another post ontop of an already fixed problem. Yours, im sorry to say was the latter. Posting saying you were glad it was handeled or you would have said talked about life, and the forums, pretty much implying you were going to tell him life comes before Chubbs, wasn't needed because you weren't there, and it doesn't matter anymore, it was taken care of.

Look, be pissed at him all you want for cussing out staff, hate him for not thinking sometimes before he posts, but don't continue something that is already taken care of, it adds more problems then it helps.

[Aiden]

Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
Yeah.. I might have had to rant about some things to him, explain all about life, and all about the forum.

none of that needed to be said. basically you just posted exactly what reijin said, and as i said both of those posts were spam.

This is a good idea, and i'm not posting here again to save myself from getting into a bigger arguement.

[OldNoriAccount]

That post is not spam. It applies to the topic, which spam is the opposite of.

He insulted *ALL* staff. Not just the ones who can update.

Frankly, I beleive I did act like the bigger person. Did I swear at him? No? Well he swore at us. I beleive that is being bigger.

Anyway, I'm out of here. For the same reasons as Nappa.

[Alura]

So, wait, Pan. First you said I was wrong, then you said I did the right thing. Am I included in your little rant? It effects how I'm going to respond.

[Jewtastic]

Akane, I dont care if you post replying to this but it was spam. Over the time I have been here I can remember countless occasions Burter himself has walked into a thread on this board, saw that it was a question for anyone, saw that 4 people had answered it, the same but putting their own little spin on it and then let us know that one answer was enough, stop with the spam. You spammed not becuase you didn't stay on topic but becuase you added a useless post to an already handled problem. It was done, you didn't need to post your own veiw on the situation just becuase you are staff.

[Alura]

First off. I agree that it was unnessecary. I personally wouldn't have done it had it been me coming into the thread late.

However, I don't think it was so bad to merit a rant from everyone else. I will quote Android 20 because I've got the same opinions.

Yes, the continual comments by those who posted after Burter and Celipa were inappropriate and mean. But they were not given without reason. While the staff is here to serve the members, I don't particularly think anyone likes to be cussed out because of something small and easily fixable. Especially when they broke a rule anyways by not giving staff enough time to correct the problem.

I'd like to just point out the golden rule in this instance. If you give respect, you get respect. If you cuss someone out, don't expect a friendly response.

The comments were over the top, and shouldn't have been stated since the problem was resolved, but that in no way means they were unjustified.

Of course, that's my take on it. Maybe since I wasn't involved, I shouldn't post here. However, this is directed at everyone, and since I'm a part of everyone, I'll put in my two cents. And since Retane bitched at all of staff, all of staff really shouldn't be yelled at for responding to something posed to all of them. No ill will to Retane, I still like the guy, but I'm stating that the staff's response shouldn't be seen as ridiculously uncalled for.

I think what Retane did merited the same kind of response back.

Just because we are staff doesn't mean we have to sit and take abuse from people who are ungrateful, or impatient. I, for one, would never not defend myself if someone called me out in public, as I've demonstrated in the past.

[OldNoriAccount]

So I shouldn't post in a post that is directed to staff, just because I am staff? Because it is directed at me?

Good to know for the future. Alright, I'm going to go play Warcraft.

[Alura]

Originally posted by Akane Kimidori
So I shouldn't post in a post that is directed to staff, just because I am staff? Because it is directed at me?

Good to know for the future. Alright, I'm going to go play Warcraft.

What Ben is trying to say is, the problem was solved, so you didn't need to get involved.

That's not my opinion, that's his. Just translated since you seem to misunderstand

[Jewtastic]

What Reb said.

[Alura]

Retane was just unbanned, btw

[OldNoriAccount]

Originally posted by Burter
Just because we are staff doesn't mean we have to sit and take abuse from people who are ungrateful, or impatient. I, for one, would never not defend myself if someone called me out in public, as I've demonstrated in the past.

Thats my view then.