CA in Sagas

[Mal Nova]

Heh

CA is there for a reason. ANd I think that is should com into play in some competition saga's and tournaments.

I mean... there's a Logical IC reason for why it isn't in play in DA, but if the writers can't look at things and develop their own ways to write things, even with CA being in play... then it's their fault. I mean... Rewards are judges on how long you last and how good you do usually right?

Lets say its a tournament in an arena where you can be dq'ed if you touch the ground...

Thats a way yo lose and even the strongest can lose if the weaker can out write them..

Another example PVP where Power might be a factor but proves it isn't alays everything is (And yes you saw it coming) was hen me and Mino new, managed to kill ourselves and 16(who had a power up) ... it was done by writing.. not the power lol

[Belle Hibiki]

I'm curious, actually: do people think that quality is some kind of bastion of fair judgment?

Although quality is something that is mutable over time (you might write bad on an off day, good when you're on the ball), it's not as if someone who writes on the level of 13 year old fanfiction can suddenly become the next Shakespeare in a saga just because CA is leveled and they try really hard. There's always going to be some people that are just better at writing than you are, and those people also tend to be at the top of competition sagas where CA is discounted, anyway.

Put another way, even if CA was leveled, I wouldn't want to go against Kaden or Sage or Ander because I think they're better writers than I am. Full stop.

I guess it's because people hold Quality to be more "worthy" that it get preferential judgment, but as a judging mechanic, I think it's only fractionally better than just CA because there are rare instances where total newbies can come out of the blue and write like golden Kings. The best way, honestly, is what we usually do anyway: a mix of CA and quality.

[Mal Nova]

Belle As I understood it... that's how it always has been...


But you sit there and say you are scared of Sage, Ander, and Kaden... and thats funny because I'd think you were among them...

But like Vad said.. and my character is similiar to his in the aspect... that.. I dont care about it... I'll go for it anytime... It's the underdog in me lol

[Kaden]

The other thing that should also be considered, when talking about quality, is that the word means different things to different people.

When Alura was grading for DA, for example, it was no secret that his preference ran towards those intense soul-searching moments for characters as well as shorter posts.

As Sophia's already said in the rules for Kill Town, grammar is going to be a thing for him. It may not make-or-break a post (can't say, as I'm not him) but it will definitely be a factor.

If I were grading, I would have to say I'm a fan of successful tonal shifts within a post, showing a range to both the writer and their character.

The way some people write is simply going to be higher "quality" depending on the judge. There are some generalities that often hold true (saying something along the lines of Ander and Piper will always be in the top three if only quality counts isn't necessarily unreasonable), but the fact of the matter is that if the grader just doesn't like your style of writing "quality" isn't going to get you very far.

EDIT: For those who missed it, this post has two points. The first is obvious: judging quality can be quite variable.

The other, implied point is that CA is a standardized measurement. 1,000 is always twice as much as 500. Doesn't matter who's grading.

[Mal Nova]

I am fucked in the saga then... WHile I cant catch all my typo's neither can the spell checker...

And those that aren't English are screwed too!

(Edit: I'm screwed as soon as I enter it and say I killed Bujin anyways lol)

[Kaden]

(Edit: I'm screwed as soon as I enter it and say I killed Bujin anyways lol)

I actually laughed at that one. Oh shit.

I'm sure there's an online grammar checker somewhere.

EDIT: http://www.spellchecker.net/spellcheck/

[Mal Nova]

Firefox has its own checker... but I miss it sometimes...

And my 'W' key acts up and im not stripping this thing down again as it is my last one....

As well... I find that I do my best writing... hen i am more in tune with my character and against a better opponent. While my best writing has been in DA as Retane, my second best might have been considered as the fight against Piper as 17...

I learned from old Broli a Tip that I have yet to master... which is the FLOW... and he said he thought I was damned close lol

[Kaden]

The sad thing about flow is that, when it's good, it's rarely noticed.

That said, bad flow can really kill a post.

[Kill Town]

Yep, you're right. I'm going to kill you because you killed me. You're on the money as always, Mal.

In any case, yeah, grammar is big. Try to remember your English classes in school and try to use them. As for the "non-English people are screwed" part, well...I don't have to explain that one, do I?

EDIT: Err...it's "big," but not even close to being the only factor. I'm just saying that it matters to me.

[Mal Nova]

Lol If I honestly thought you to be that much of a dick head... I'd still join lol Because If I did great amnd got ruined it would look foolish on you.... ANd Honestly like e talked about...(I think) I just say it to say it lol... and there is a background part to it... and if you felt that I'd be a big problem you ould have asked I just not be in it...


Lol

[Mal Nova]

SEE THE W Problem?

[Ashe]

To be honest, I'm not sympathetic (entirely) to the "ignore CA" argument. While I'm not actually talking about my stance of CA's necessity in this rpg, it IS a part of the RPG. I don't think we should need to go through all the effort of making sure that a part of the RPG that is completely ignored and rarely used is kept accurate. If its there, I'd like to have it matter sometimes.

The argument about never beating those at the top falls short as well, given that the same people that were up there before the turnover/reset are up there AGAIN. And a lot of the same people that held to that complaint are sitting near the bottom with 25 or fewer posts again. Which leads me to my next point...

Knowing that CA will count in maybe one out of every seven or eight events practically encourages people to "saga hop", basically going inactive between sagas entirely, only roleplaying during the sagas themselves. I understand that this isn't an intentionally pursued goal by many, but it is an indirect side effect of making only your work during sagas count every time. There's no incentive to bother writing outside of a saga when you could save your energy and "burst" your way through a saga fresh on ideas and get rewards. It shouldn't be this way (as in, people should write to enjoy writing and doing their sagas) but it almost is. The people with the higher CA are the ones that are writing between sagas to great effect, enjoying the time writing with each other. The people without are waiting for the next saga and then complaining that if CA is taken into account, they have no chance.

Add in that a large factor of the turnover was to address a system where we could never make power matter, and a concern was to fix it so that strength gained would matter, and then it seems dumb to frequently just ignore it.

I would rather remove it entirely from the system as a mechanic than to have it sitting there, requiring time to check its accuracy and maintain it, yet intentionally leave it unused.