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DOMINION - Jarka - 08-04-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuINbQ3PLU0&feature=player_embedded
Excited?
DOMINION - Super Buu - 08-04-2011
This is great. Still very fucking late! And I still want Magma Chamber. But I'm glad they've finally announced something.
DOMINION - John Doe - 08-04-2011
Brand new gameplay and a brand new map. People will still complain.
Assholes.
DOMINION - Sigfried Hunin - 08-04-2011
Victory Point control! Yaaaaay it's like DOW!
Seriously though, I was just thinking how irritatingly linear the fucking lanes were and how much I would enjoy a map control/management game would be more fun. Then they do it! Maybe. Unless they fuck it up.
Which they prolly will.
DOMINION - Vad - 08-04-2011
I'll start playing again heavily just for this map.
DOMINION - Rafael - 08-04-2011
MORDE ES#1 HUEHUEHUE ALWAYS SHIELD NEVER DIE.
Can't see the vid atm, but it sounds like king of the hill from your comments. Morde ftw
DOMINION - Piper Juunanagou - 08-04-2011
I liked where they pointed out how they take a "when it's ready" approach to content.
That means we'll get to play this map in 2012. WOOOOO
Pessimism aside, that does look pretty awesome.
DOMINION - Waffuru - 08-04-2011
Heimerdinger?
DOMINION - Kaden - 08-04-2011
Rose Wrote:Still very fucking late!
How so? The only thing Riot said was that new shit was coming out in 2011. By definition, it can't be late if it is still out this year.
Sigfried Hunin Wrote:Unless they fuck it up.
Which they prolly will.
Where is that coming from?
DOMINION - Sigfried Hunin - 08-04-2011
Kaden Wrote:Where is that coming from?
From the fact that almost everything new that they provide on ALREADY TRIED AND TESTED GROUNDS is still fuckin wonky and out of balance. They're still redoing champions that came out at the very beginning of the game lol.
It'd be sweet if they came out with a nice, polished balanced level with extensive testing that just slips right into the play group with no major hiccups or dumb ideas, but I seriously doubt that'll happen.
DOMINION - Kaden - 08-04-2011
Are you being serious or trolling me? Genuinely can't tell.
Perfect balance in a game of this nature is impossible. Literally impossible. Irelia is the absolute #1 example of this. She came out and everyone was all "wtf so UP no reason to play" and she just sat there for months. Patch after patch Riot did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to her and then all of a sudden she's a total beast. She becomes first pick/ban material for absolutely no reason. Then she's "stupid OP wtf nerf nao" and she had been at that same level the entire time.
In a MOBA like this, the meta determines the balance of the game. Since the meta is determined by the people playing it, that means it will constantly be changing. Since it's constantly changing, there is no perfect balance.
Some of the reason old champs are getting reworks is because of new tech that they've developed. Some of it because the champions were played in ways that they completely didn't intend and liked how it worked. Some because of genuine power creep.
To just say "they remade Kayle so they have no idea what they're doing and can't make something that's balance" is ridiculous.
DOMINION - Jarka - 08-04-2011
Sigfried Hunin Wrote:From the fact that almost everything new that they provide on ALREADY TRIED AND TESTED GROUNDS is still fuckin wonky and out of balance. They're still redoing champions that came out at the very beginning of the game lol.
It'd be sweet if they came out with a nice, polished balanced level with extensive testing that just slips right into the play group with no major hiccups or dumb ideas, but I seriously doubt that'll happen.
ETA: Kaden said pretty much what I was thinking as well, BUT TOO BAD I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF TYPING THIS.
To be fair, designing and playtesting any massively multiplayer online game is considerably different than a single player. Especially a MOBA game, where it's not like the bugs will be during a scripted questline or something.
I actually love that Riot is willing to be like, "You know what? We're fixing this," even with established champions. It seems like they actually care about keeping the game balanced and they actually take their playerbase suggestions and concerns fairly seriously.
If they really were such shit at game design, every new champion would be 100% broken. As it stands, they tend to just need a tiny tweak once they hit the masses.
I have never heard them release a champion and say "THIS IS GOING TO BE PERFECT, GUYSSSS." Any champ preview is usually accompanied by, "Hopefully you'll like this, this is what we were thinking with this."
DOMINION - Super Buu - 08-04-2011
Kaden Wrote:How so?
Late by my standards, not by the standards Riot set.
I'm just saying. I can understand wanting to make it perfect, but maps can't take THAT long to make. I joined the game almost two years in and was incredibly surprised that it only had two maps, yet so much other stuff.
I'm not bitching, just saying it's about time. S'all I'm sayin' man
DOMINION - Kaden - 08-04-2011
Rose Wrote:Late by my standards, not by the standards Riot set.
I'm just saying. I can understand wanting to make it perfect, but maps can't take THAT long to make.
Gotcha. For consideration, though, it's not just a new map. It's an entirely new game type. I imagine they had to make a lot of new tech for it.
DOMINION - Jarka - 08-04-2011
Rose Wrote:Late by my standards, not by the standards Riot set.
I'm just saying. I can understand wanting to make it perfect, but maps can't take THAT long to make. I joined the game almost two years in and was incredibly surprised that it only had two maps, yet so much other stuff.
I'm not bitching, just saying it's about time. S'all I'm sayin' man
My money is on them releasing Magma Chamber with the start of season 2 and continuing to playtest/sneak peak Dominion for a bit longer.
DOMINION - Tyr - 08-04-2011
Pessimistic Krig:
[spoiler]Man, it's not even coming out like soon? This is the exact thing they did with Magma Chamber.
"Ooh, something awesome is coming!" and we got the release and everyone was like "RIOT HAFF MY BABIES"
The babies are now dead of age. Also, I feel this is a response to Realm of the Titans and the "never before seen content in MOBAS" means "never before seen content in RELEASED MOBAS". But I digress, this could be different but from the video and the sound of things, it would appear to be similar gameplay to RotT.[/spoiler]
Positive Krig:
[spoiler]NEW STUFF IN MY VIDYA GAME? : D[/spoiler]
DOMINION - Jonathan Meer - 08-05-2011
I'm excited for this. I'm curious, though, how this will affect the development and balancing of champions.
Like how CTF would be fucking brilliant in LoL as well, though it means HUGE FUCKING EMPHASIS on CC.
DOMINION - Rafael - 08-05-2011
Kyle predicts: Heimer, Cait, Alistar, Lux, and Trynd to be super popular in this
DOMINION - Kaden - 08-05-2011
Noct, TF, and Panth will roll. Why do you think they changed globals?
DOMINION - Jarka - 08-05-2011
Rafael Wrote:Kyle predicts: Heimer, Cait, Alistar, Lux, and Trynd to be super popular in this
WHERE WAS TEEMO IN YOUR LIST?
AT LAST, I WILL HAVE FOUND MY CALLING.