Who sampled?

[Jack]

That was pretty much a cover. The lyrics to the hook fit Snoop Dogg so well, so he pretty much added a couple of verses to something that was already awesome.

The whole "ft. The Doors" was just stupid though. That was most likely the only way to explain it to uneducated Crips.

[Kami]

I like how the list of top ten sampling artists are all rappers. No surprise there.

[Sage]

I like how the list of top ten sampling artists are all rappers. No surprise there.

There's a reason it all [EDIT FOR JACK: Generally speaking] sounds the same.

[Vad]

I was merely looking for reactions on the fact that James Brown could hit a high note...that well. =D

[Jack]

I didn't catch what you were talking about.

[Vad]

In the video? You don't hear that like...high pitched beat playing in the beginning that almost sounds like a record needle being scraped around a vinyl record really quickly? That's James Brown hitting a high note.

[Pinky]

well, rappers are lyricists, not musicians. they look for beatz instead of making them.

[Celena]

Yes rappers are lyricists, it's their producers who are the musicians. They are the ones who make their beats, so the blame should be shifted to the producers and not the rappers.

[Vad]

The only thing rap is good for right now is making my car vibrate.

[Jack]

I love broad statements from the uninformed. This thread is full of winrar.

[Sage]

You just made a broad, uninformed statement, though. =(

[Kaden]

Oh snap.

[Jack]

Well, yeah.

[Ashe]

How is sampling not stealing if its "not the entire song"???

If so, would you mind if I dive through your accounts and sample about say 50% of your net worth?

[Jack]

Honestly, the only reason I haven't really said anything is because this would be like trying to explain the breastroke to an amputee. There's nothing really to "get" or "understand", you just have to not be an old man. Just gonna quote The Abbot and go to bed:

"A lot of people still don't recognize the sampler as a musical instrument. I can see why. A lot of rap hits over the years used the sampler more like a Xerox machine. If you take four whole bars that are identifiable, you're just biting that shit. But I've always been into using the sampler more like a painter's palette than a Xerox. Then again, I might use it as a Xerox if I find rare beats that nobody had in their crates yet. If I find a certain sample that's just incredible—like the one on 'Liquid Swords'—I have to zap that! That was from an old Willie Mitchell song that I was pretty sure most people didn't have. But on every album I try to make sure that I only have 20 to 25 percent [of that kind of] sampling. Everything else is going to be me putting together a synthesis of sounds. You listen to a song like "Knowledge God" by Raekwon: it took at least five to seven different records chopped up to make one two-bar phrase. That's how I usually work." —RZA, The Wu-Tang Manual, 2004

Also good:

"Cutting and pasting is the essence of what hip-hop culture is all about for me. It's about drawing from what's around you, and subverting it and de-contextualizing it." —DJ Shadow

Also, I can't stress enough how many artists sample. Taking "Let's Go", by Lil fucking Jon and making it the poster child of what sampling is just makes everyone in this thread look dumb. I'm not defending that the song doesn't suck, but it's definitely not stealing. If you think creatively it's being lazy, then yeah. But this is just one instance (of a few, I will admit) of a producer being a lameass and not putting forth a decent amount of effort.

If someone can explain to me how covers aren't 10 times worse, they get a free blowjob on the house.

[Ashe]

Ok, Jack, that's not at all what we are saying. A majority of sampling is equivalent to me taking bits of pieces of your roleplay, quoting those sections word for word inside of something that I write, and then SELLING IT and claiming full credit on the contained literature. Not that "I cite these sources" but "I wrote this, can I has award?". There's a reason why a lot of the techno remixes of various songs on the internet are floating around on the internet and not being sold on every street corner. If I was whoever currently held the rights to DragonballZ, for example, and someone started taking my imagery, especially if I was the person that drew it, and then slapped on a flashy name and started selling it in a signature shop (as in monetary exchange, not just sig making for free on a non-profit site), then I'd be a bit pissed. They are using MY imagery and tweaking it a bit and everyone is like "Dude, I love the drawing, your eyes and mouth shapes are really spot on, you rock" and the other guy just goes "YAYAAAA" and gets handed an award. I as the artist just kinda stare on and go "Oh fuck my life."

EDIT: Also, note, I am referring to the times when someone is NOT being given any credit for what is getting used from them. Its slightly less lame but on an entirely different level of lame to do so with full permission.

[Psyren]

Jaxx...Covers are usuaylly done because the owner of the music gives permission and in nearly all cases of full covers the original artists are given credit in some degree.Where as i have never seen a track that samples give credit to anyone but the guy currently doing it. MAjor difference.

[Tyr]

Isn't this just about the fact that singers only buy copyright on the entire song but not bits?

[Psyren]

lol as much s ihave learned in my music classes, you cannot just buy bits of a song you have to purchase the entire song unless the current owner of the song gives permission to you to use the clips from the song but your sitll going to have to pay royalties.

[Tyr]

Yet it's legal to use a tool such as Tunebite which records the entire song as a sound file? I doubt that. o.0