Who sampled?

[Jack]

Jaxx...Covers are usuaylly done because the owner of the music gives permission and in nearly all cases of full covers the original artists are given credit in some degree.Where as i have never seen a track that samples give credit to anyone but the guy currently doing it. MAjor difference.

Give credit how? No artist of the past 40 fucking years has said on a studio recording, before a song, "This is a song originally written by _____". You put that shit in the liner notes. Producers list samples in the liner notes. If you can go get one of your many hip-hop albums that you own in your home and show me otherwise, then I will bow down to you and acknowledge that you are indeed the Messiah. Because obviously you have an entire archive of hip-hop and electronica and booty bass and industrial albums, stashed away in a dark cave under your home in a humidity free environment, alphabetized in chronological order, ready to be played at any moment to prove that this whole "sampling thing" is nothing but theft that has been tolerated by the same industry that fined a young woman $6,000,000 just last month for a grand total of five downloaded songs, but to also prove that you are the only person in the history of mankind to know the truth. And then Madonna will come in and blow you while you listen to some to Atreyu and bask in your all-knowing, omniscient reality where only the music you like is "real" and "genuine".

Get.
The.
Fuck.
Out.

Covers are the EXACT song that someone else once made, usually by an extremely inferior artist that fucks it the fuck up. Same chord structure, melody, and lyrics most of the time. Samples are (ideally) a bar or two of a recording put into a different piece of music to supplement an otherwise completely original work. Yet Jimi Hendrix is lauded as a genius when he does THE SAME SONG that Bob Dylan recorded a couple years prior, and RZA is somehow "stealin' from dem crackas" when he uses 15 seconds of dialogue taken from a movie that was originally 3 hours long. Riiiight. I love covers. I love (good) samples. To like one and stamp the other as complete shit is erroneous, ignorant, and makes you an honorary life citizen of Fail Island. But don't fret, for you will have company in the form of a slim red-headed Southern man who is obviously a master of fail and (presumably) buttsecks.

A majority of sampling is equivalent to me taking bits of pieces of your roleplay, quoting those sections word for word inside of something that I write, and then SELLING IT and claiming full credit on the contained literature.

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This is wroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

Nobody samples and takes credit for 100% of the content. You HAVE HAVE HAVE HAAAVE to say what you sampled, and it HAS to be approved for retail release by the record label responsible for distributing the material. There have been cases of controversy involving uncreditted samples, and they have sparked a shitstorm of legal proceedings and conflict every time. Jay-Z once rapped to a beat that sampled a Nas song without permission (allegedly), and it started a good 12 years of record label issues and altercations between the two artists.

Above all, this is not literature. It's music. A record label owns your music after it's been recorded, and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. If Isaac Hayes makes a song and a producer wants to come along later and sample it to make said record label more money, that's what the fuck happens. It's theirs. They own it.

From a creative standpoint, you guys might have a better argument. If you think it's uninspired to sample a song, then that's an opinion you can gladly have. Good luck finding anything beyond acoustic rock that you will be able to enjoy, though.

And this is getting ridiculous. How about we do this; the only people that can continue this discussion will be those that can provide either

A) Their top 5 hip-hop albums of all time.
B) 5 examples of sampling that support their arguments.

I would go first but this is pathetic and sad. I'd rather not continue to talk about this to people that are using theoretical examples and Lil' Jon as the basis for their side of the debate.

[Kami]

I think I'd actually enjoy it if Madonna blew me.

TLDNR

[Kaden]

This is increasingly reminiscent of the Obama thread.

[Jack]

I love how we've taken that one thread and made it the archetype for forum shenanigans. I guess it's easier to say than "Superman/Goku Thread" though. We used to get into pretty heated arguments over video games too. Chubbs is the best.

[Kaden]

Hmmmm... there are some very specific things I associate with the "Obama thread" meme.

[Jack]

Yo Kaden I'm happy for you and ima let you finish, but the Obama thread was one of the greatest threads of all time. Of all time.

[Vad]

xD!

[Psyren]

lol I love how i mentioned the lil john thing and you assume its a basis for a argument Jaxx. Go flame yourself and GTFO. Im entitled to my oppinion that if you cant come up with your own shit then find a different job just as much as you are entitled to your oppinion that if you want to sample and turn somebody elses shit even if it is just a few seconds into your own shit then go right ahead but to derate my oppinion and blast is fucked up jaxx. Cuz i felt alot of hostility and anger in your post and it quite literally offended and pissed me off but knowing you, you dont really give a fuck so im out peace and just as you told me earliar GTFO and get blowed by madonna

[Ashe]

To like one and stamp the other as complete shit is erroneous, ignorant, and makes you an honorary life citizen of Fail Island. But don't fret, for you will have company in the form of a slim red-headed Southern man who is obviously a master of fail and (presumably) buttsecks.

I'm... not entirely sure how to address that. Jack, you never cease to amaze me, at least at times.

If the point of your post was to cause me to not give a damn about continuing discussing with you, then well, my friend, you have succeeded. Admirably.

[Sage]

k, seriously. If you're gonna argue, please be mature.

Stop taking shots at each other; it's stupid.

[Ashe]

If, in any of my discussions on this thread, I have made any personal attacks on anyone in this thread, then I whole heartedly apologize for having done so.

(This isn't me responding to Sage as if he were addressing me either, just something that occurred to me as a result of it.)

[Jack]

I was just trying to be humorous.

[Ashe]

I was just trying to be humorous.

I didn't necessarily take the comment regarding me as an insult. Since, like I said, I was entirely unsure how it was intended to be taken.

[Jack]

Most of that was satire. Especially the part about the batcave of hip-hop albums.

I can't really "explain" or "defend" this, it's just one of those things that you either like or you don't.

EDIT: This was never worthy of a whole thread in the first place. I suggest it goes down in a blaze of spam and memes.

[Kaden]

I was just trying to be humorous.

It wasn't.

Just an fyi.